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Cobb Mountain Cottage

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Posted on January 2, 2013 by

I am not fully sure on the blog etiquette here, but I wanted to show you a blog that I found and their “contact” link is broken.  I am guessing they won’t mind, but they can always contact me if they want this taken down.

 

This is a cobb and straw-bale mountain cottage with an earth sheltered (green) roof...

This is a cobb and straw-bale mountain cottage with an earth sheltered (green) roof…

Take a look at this cobb and straw “mountain cottage” with an earth sheltered roof.  I am not sure I really trust cobb or straw-bale construction in my SE Michigan climate, but their location in New Mexico is pretty cold and wet also…  I don’t plan to give up my shotcrete cement plans and I could never take this long to build my house (although my overall timeline is already really long), but I think it is a real work of art worth showing to you all…

Elevation drawing

Elevation drawing

One funny side thing I noticed…  It may have taken them 4 years to build their home, but their architect went from concept to permits in less than 4 months, which is pretty fantastic.  I would have liked to have seen more of the drawings.  I guess my home is more complicated and larger.

I also liked the condensed timeline layout, so I am adding a timeline to my site…  It will make more sense then the blog when things start happening.

Here are a handful of pics from their site, you can find many more and even a bunch of other projects that I have not gone thru yet.

Again, here is the link… http://www.claysandstraw.com/projects/mtncttge/mtncttge.htm 

Earth Tube Design

Posted on August 10, 2012 by

Earth Tube Design

Earth tubes (also known as Earth-Air Heat Exchangers, EAHX in professional circles, or as “Cool Tubes” in Australia, or by a variety of other names) can be designed many ways.  Most home owners who install them realize that, while they are dealing with very ancient and intuitive technology, Earth Tubes are still poorly understood and somewhat “experimental”.  While specific performance data is somewhat lacking, there are many experts with their own rules of thumb…  Here I will try to sort it all out.

Since I plan to invest thousands of dollars in my own Earth-Air Heat Exchangers (a more sophisticated term than Earth Tubes), I have done a lot of research in order to try and optimize my designs.  I have found that there are a wide variety of approaches out there.  Some earth tube systems are long (hundreds or thousands of feet), others are short (less than 50 feet).  Some propose 4 inch diameter PVC, others are using 24 inch diameter cement tubes.  Various layouts, depths and other design features (weep holes, insulation, flexible connectors, etc) are talked about with great pride or warning.   Many of these designers talk about how their method is the only good method, one particularly rambling blogger warned that any changes from his specific design could only result in disaster.   However, almost all of the designers talk about how successful they were (few have really good data to back it up, but some do and that fraction is growing).  I have concluded that because of dynamic effects (such as fluctuating operating temperatures and moisture levels), the wide range of parameters and the lack of information regarding material properties or other boundary conditions, it may be difficult or impossible to be sure of an optimal earth tube design (at the current state of the art).   However, the wide variety of success indicates that the tolerances for a “pretty good” earth tube design are quite flexible and there is good understanding for how the parameters affect performance.

There has also been sufficient experience to make certain “danger zones” clear.  As far as I can tell, the main dangers include…

  1. Moisture leading to mold and other problems => Make sure to slope your earth tubes and provide good drainage so condensation can exit.   Stay above the water table and keep rain water out.  Be careful with corrugated flex pipe as it could potentially provide lots of places for water to collect.
  2. Blockage rendering the tubes useless => Keep bugs and critters out, design the tubes so they won’t cave in, provide multiple paths as a more robust system, etc.
  3. Flow resistance making it too difficult to move air thru the tubes => system losses (both friction and dynamic losses) add up.  Try to keep the pipe short enough (or large enough diameter) to avoid this problem.  Smoother pipes can be narrower or longer.  Avoid constrictions in the flow, such as two pipes coming into one of the same cross sectional area.  Avoid fittings that try to turn the flow too quickly (such as 90 degree elbows) as these can double the back-pressure…

 

Other factors, such as how much heat is transferred, etc. are just performance details. 😉

In the end, the key to good duct design (earth tubes are buried ducts) is compromise for economy.  The ideal design uses the minimum length of very standard pipes with as few dynamic losses as possible driven by an appropriately sized and affordable fan.

 

The Equations! 

I moved the sections about frictional pressure drop, dynamic pressure drop and Reynolds number to this page.

 

Earth Tube Material: 

When designing an earth tube system, choosing the type of pipe is the most important decision.  I recoomend either solid HDPE pipe or double wall (corrigated outside, smooth inside) HDPE pipe.

You can find more details about Earth Tube Material options here.

 

Earth Tube Length:

Of course, all the parameters (length, diameter, smoothness, path) work together to determine the final performance.   But all other things being fixed, increasing the length of an earth tube provides more length for heat exchange, it also increases the friction and back pressure.  If it is too short, you have less than optimum heat transfer, but it it is too long, it is much harder to get air to flow thru it at all.  At a certain point, the back pressure increases to the point where natural convection can not move the air.  At a more extreme length, the back pressure could reach a level that not even a fan could blow the air thru it.    Cost is a more complex function.  There are certain minimum costs for delivery and getting a crew out to help install the pipes (HDPE pipe requires a professional).    There may also be a minimum order to get decent pricing.  Once you have a truck making a delivery, there is not much difference in delivery cost if it is a full truck or a half truck.   Also, if the pipe needs professional installation, getting someone out for 1 hour usually costs the same as 4.

There are many tools for calculating the length of pipe that you need.   Problem is they usually assume a certain flow rate and don’t take back pressure into account.  They also don’t take the ability of the soil into account.  I will link to some calculators here eventually, but for now I found that rules of thumb based on working examples are just as good.  Passivhaus builders will tell you the diameter tubes that worked for them.  I often see 6 inch pipe used in 250 ft lengths with a fan to keep things moving.

Talking with Adam Bearup recently and he mentioned some experience with the Earth Shelter Project Michigan.  They setup a number of 6 inch diameter PVC earth tubes, each had a fan, but each was only about 50 ft long.  He says the tubes didn’t moderate the temperature of the incoming air for very long after the fans were turned on.  They were probably not long enough for the size of the fans.  The air was moving too quickly thru the tubes and stripped the heat from the tube walls faster than the soil could conduct it.  It was not a thermally stable system.  Even so, the ventilation was insufficient (such a large earth sheltered home would have needed 26 passive tubes running at 175 fpm or 7 tubes at high fan speed of 700 fpm) and so there were problems with humidity, etc.  Adam acknowledged that longer or deeper tubes may have worked better, but at a greater expense.  If he could do it again, he would probably just use a Heat Recovery Ventilator (HRV) instead, the cost would have been a fraction of the cost of the earth tubes.  The HRV is an active system that requires electricity, but at least it is predictable technology.  The HRV exchanges (averages) heat in real time without any thermal storage capacity.

Earth Tube Diameter:  

Again, this is only one of several parameters, but all others held constant, increasing the diameter reduces the back pressure (resistance to flow) by increasing the cross sectional area (π*R2) faster than the perimeter (2π*R) (proportional to surface area).  Hydraulic Diameter is cross sectional area over perimeter and is in the denominator of the D’Arcy equation, which means that increasing diameter reduces pressure losses.   Having a larger diameter means you can get more flow volume at a lower velocity which allows for more heat transfer.  There is also more surface area (for a given length) which also helps increase heat transfer.

Many discussions on this topic will point out that smaller diameter pipe has a larger surface area to flow volume and therefore more heat transfer, but that argument assumes the same flow velocity (reduced flow volume).  If the length and flow volume are held fixed, the larger diameter pipe has greater heat transfer than a smaller diameter pipe.  However if you change the configuration and switch from a single 8 inch to four 4 inch pipes, you would have the same flow volume but double your surface area and therefore increase your heat transfer for the same flow rate.  Changing to the smaller pipes would also increase your back pressure.  Looking at the cost of this configuration, at least for HDPE pipe, the four 4 inch pipe configuration costs 8% less than the single 8 inch pipe configuration.

 

Increasing diameter appears to increase cost at a higher rate than increasing length.  I noticed that prices also increased at a higher rate than the radius and even slightly higher than the cross sectional area.  So while I would probably prefer to have 16 inch diameter pipe, I will probably install 6 inch diameter to get a lower price per inch of cross sectional area, even though this limits my total length.

Certain types of pipe, such as HDPE pipe, have a thickness that is proportional to the diameter.  For instance, HDPE SDR 17 pipe has a wall thickness that is 1/17th of the diameter. The weight of the pipes is therefore proportional to the square of the diameter which means it increases at a faster rate.   This means larger pipes are proportionally heavier (and also harder to bend), and therefore harder to work with, than smaller pipes.  Six inch HDPE SDR 17 pipes are 3.34 lbs/ft, but 8 inch equivalents are 5.66 lbs/ft.  That weight can add up quickly when moving around long sections of pipe.   The insulative properties of the wall would also increase with thickness and reduce heat transfer.

There is a thinner HDPE SDR 32.5 pipe…  Half the thickness of SDR 17 pipe, but it is very non standard and must be ordered from the factory in a large enough batch to make it worth their while (min 1000 ft).  There is also a 6 inch HDPE pipe that comes on a 500ft coil, but I couldn’t find anyone with that in stock either.  I was told that it takes 2 men to wrestle a 4 inch pipe off the coil, but no one I spoke to had actually tried the 6 inch pipe.  One distributor told me that 6 inch coiled pipe has a tendency to kink rather than bend.  The benefit of a coil would have been not needing to hire a professional to fusion weld the pipe.  You could just lay it in one long piece.

Earth Tube Layout: 

The layout of the earth tubes is an important decision.  Some prefer a system with a manifold that separates the flow into parallel lines using T-connections or Y connections.  These connections are usually more expensive than 10 ft of pipe and severely degrade the flow properties.   It is very difficult to balance the flow thru a system of branching connections, and even more so when using a compressible fluid like “air”.  If the system is not balanced, the majority of the flow may go thru only a few of the parallel runs, rendering the rest useless.  I have seen a number of layouts where the pipe used throughout the system was all the same diameter, which constraints the flow rate of the whole system.  Of course there are some benefits.  This type of system is often easier to layout using straight sections of rigid pipe and if one of the pipes is crushed or clogged, at least the other pipes can continue to work.  Often, this system is chosen by people using straight PVC pipe or who have a very limited area to run the earth tubes.

Radiant flooring used to be done this way also, but with smaller diameter PVC pipe.  While water is famous for taking the path of least resistance, It is possible (but still difficult) to “balance” the flow of a relatively “in-compressible” fluid like water, compressible air flow is much more difficult.  Modern radiant flooring tube layouts are typically done with a single PEX or HDPE tube “snaked” across the floor.  In addition to increased performance, this is easier and cheaper than the old branched PVC approach.

Earth tubes can also be snaked using U connections or flexible pipe.  Of course, if more land is available, fewer bends and larger radius curves can be used.    Larger radius curves cause less resistance to the flow, but a straight pipe is actually ideal (if you have the land for it).  However you lay it out, There are many advantages to this serial configuration, including flow uniformity and the ability to clean the pipe if necessary.   (I plan to use a blast of air pressure to fire a bleach soaked Nerf ball thru mine if I ever need to clean it out.)

Another good option is running a number of pipes that are separate for their full length and only come together at the entrance to the home.  Particular configurations can be used that make it easy to connect with a rectangular duct inside the home.  This spreads the tubes out in the earth for maximum heat transfer and storage, but brings it all together for maximum flow volume thru a single opening into the home.

Since I have several acres around my home site, I plan to keep the earth tubes as straight as I can.  I plan to use HDPE pipe that is flexible enough to allow for some bending without any special/expensive connections.  The basic rule of thumb is that you can bend straight HDPE SDR 11 pipe around a radius no less than 50 times the diameter.  Thinner pipe is more flexible, but there is always a chance of kinking if you try to bend it too tightly.  PVC pipe is much less flexible.

 

Earth Tube Depth

Earth tubes work better when they are deeper.  However, after a certain depth, the cost of burying them increases greater than the improvement in performance.  Many “failed” earth tubes are buried less than 3 ft deep.  At that depth, it is probably not worth doing.   Many small excavators have trouble digging below the 8ft depth.  10 ft would be better, but I can understand someone limiting their earth tubes to the depth that their excavator can handle.  Stepping up to the next size excavator could considerably increase the cost.

Working with deeper trenches can be more dangerous, particularly with certain types of soil that tend to cave in.  In that case you would need to dig an even wider trench at further increased costs.

I have seen cases where earth tubes were laid at relatively shallow depths, such as 5ft, but then 1 inch of rigid insulation board was placed 2 ft above the tubes to further separate them from the air temperatures.  This may be a good compromise if the costs of going deeper are prohibitive.

The choice of when to lay pipe is also important.   I know of at least one project where the earth tubes were laid along with the earth cover over the home, which then settled (there is always settling) and damaged most of the PVC earth tubes.   Laying the tubes earlier, along with the foundations, trenched into undisturbed soil, would get them deeper and with much less risk of settling.

 

Camels Nose Heat Exchanger?

Authors such as John Hait recommend putting these tubes close together so that the remaining heat from the exiting air can be transferred to the incoming tube.  His book calls this earth tube design feature a “camels nose” after the well known biological advantage of camels.  I found this excerpt The Biology of Human Survival.

The camel’s nose conserves water by lowering exhaled air temperature and removing water from it. During heat exchange inside the nose, the nasal passages are alternately cooled by inhaled air and warmed by exhaled air. The loss of heat from exhaled air to the nasal passages condenses water much as one’s breath condenses on a cold day, and this moisture is retained in the nose. In addition, the vascular anatomy of the camel’s nose and head provides a counter-current heat exchanger that protects the brain from overheating. A camel’s brain may remain more than 2°C cooler than its body.  ~~~~Claude A. Piantadosi;  The Biology of Human Survival, 2003

 

While this design improves the heat retention efficiency of the system, it may be less desirable from a flow efficiency perspective.  The camel drives the airflow thru his system with a large diaphragm and lungs; but the passive earth tube equivalent is driven by low ΔT based buoyancy.   The theory is that the cold air entering the inlet tube is warmed by the earth, expands and rises due to buoyancy where it enters the home at floor level.  At some point the relatively warm, but used up, air exits home thru the return tubes.  It is cooled by the surrounding earth and is drawn down the tubes by gravity acting on its increasing density.  This is a very low force way to drive the flow and seems to always require fans (augmented passive solar?) to overcome the wall friction of the tubes and actually produce the required fresh-air flow volume thru the home.

The most famous earth sheltered home builders of the natural world are the prairie dogs.  These rodents carefully engineer their tunnels (they live in earth tubes) to provide natural air-conditioning, fresh air, etc.  They passively drive their earth tube system by separating the inlet and outlet by some distance that creates a pressure differential.  Basically, they put the outlet at the top of the hill where the wind-speed is fastest and the air-pressure is lowest.  This low pressure exit creates a suction that actually draws the air up into the earth tubes and thru the system.

This article touches on how prarie dogs use the Bernoulli principle to increase airflow thru their tunnels.  I have read others about how they carefully balance the forks in their tunnels for even distribution and how even their beds of dry grass are kept mold free underground;  I will connect back if I stumble upon articles like that again…

 

Termites and other creatures  start with the Bernoulli principle, but take it a step further by actually constructing solar chimneys.  These use solar energy to heat up the air in the exit pipe which creates expansion and much greater buoyancy than the small temperature difference applied in the Camel-tow method.

This article is about a mall in Zimbabwe modeled on the principles of a termite mound.  This clever approach of copying (mimicking) natures master builders is sometimes referred to as bio-mimicry.

 

When applied to home construction, many PassivHaus experts suggest that your earth tubes should enter habitable space like living rooms and bedrooms to provide fresh air.  This air can move thru the house and then exit from kitchens or bathrooms which require this sort of exhaust vent thru the roof by code anyway.  The idea of venting moisture laden air from these rooms into cool underground pipes is probably not a great one anyway.

So, I do not recommend a Camels Nose arrangement for fresh air earth tubes, but I do think it would be a good idea for my by-passive solar heating earth tubes that must start and stop at the same point anyway.  I plan to run the inlet and outlet tube as near each other as possible for as far as possible so that as much of the exit air heat is transferred to the intake air as possible.  I may also insulate around these when they are outside of the umbrella so that more of the heat is exchanged and not wasted.

Air Intake: 

The air intake is an important component of the design.

Your earth tube needs to be secure to prevent insects and animals from using it as a subway into your home.  In addition to unwanted pests, the tube could bring in odors or germs.  These unwanted guests could also build nests that would inhibit or block the flow of air thru the tubes.  I recommend two levels of screening.  Thicker screen is needed to keep the larger (stronger) animals out.  A second layer of thinner/finer mesh would be used to keep insects out of the tube.   Of course, the ends of the pipe are only a small percentage of the surface and sealing them is not very effective against smaller insects if there are many other holes and joints along the way.   Here again is where HDPE pipe can be a superior option.

Schematic design for a dust settling inlet box for an earth tube intake

Many earth tube designs feature a dust settling box at the inlet.  This is a box that allows dust, pollen and other small particles to settle in a dry well before the air is drawn into the earth tube intake and into the house.   Keeping the dust out also keeps the earth tubes cleaner and less habitable to insects.     The key to this design concept is to let the air in thru a small inlet (about the same area as the earth tubes connected to the box, but then expand the volume rapidly so the air slows down and the particles can settle out of it.   This is most simply done with a hole (covered with screen) in a box in front of the earth tube entrance.  For maximum effect, don’t line up the box inlet and the earth tube inlet.  For reduced pressure loss, create a gradual scoop to transition between the box and your inlet.  If you have a centrifugal fan in your intake box, adding a splitter sheet can help balance the airflow and improve efficiency.  Some keep their tubes even cleaner with the addition of standard furnace filters.  Some have used “electronic air filters” that electrostaticly remove particles from the air without physically getting in the way.

Always keep an eye on system pressure losses.  Intake screens, air filters, even the sudden change in area between the box and the inlet, can cause significant dynamic system losses.

The box can be further enhanced with a wind-scoop to catch air.  This would increase the pressure in the box and help overcome more of the frictional resistance in the pipe.  Of course, this scoop feature should be oriented to catch prevailing winds.

The earth tube intake “box” could be built any number of ways (I plan to build several and experiment with cord-wood, masonry, etc.), but should be sealed against insects and other critters.  They should also have a lid or small door so you can access the earth tube inlet, filter or other features.  I am also considering using some glass block elements to let UV light in for various health reasons.

 

Ventilation Requirements: 

This section about ventilation requirements was broken out into a separate page.

Finding an Earth Sheltered Architect

Posted on August 2, 2012 by

Contents
  1. Why
  2. How Much

It really takes a team of people to put together a great earth sheltered home.  One person could probably pull together a good one, but I don’t recommend it.  An important component of any Earth Sheltered design team is the architect.

For the story about my own search, check this post

The rest of this is more general…

Why

Why hire an architect instead of spending that money on the home its self (you could buy a lot of cement or insulation for that price), here are some good reasons;

1) Drawings: The architect is much more familiar with the process and what is needed in the drawings than you are.  You may be able to do all the drawings, but do you know what drawings or details will be needed as part of the construction process?  Figuring all that out may take a lot of your time or even add years to the project.  Missing some important aspects may add even more cost in other ways.  I personally found that having someone else to worry about certain drawings gave me some room to think about other important details.

If there is a downside here, it is that your architect probably won’t give you the CAD unless you convince him to do do so before you get started…  There are many times that I have wished I had access to the CAD so I could use them to quickly test ideas or “fit”.

2) Financing: Your lender (or neighborhood association) will want to see drawings and will be much more inclined to approve drawings created by professionals.  Even if you have “mad cad skills”, they will over-scrutinize and under-value your designs if they don’t see an architects name on the plans.   Hiring an architect may be the key to unlocking the financial or other approvals you will need.

3) Engineering: If you are planning on having an earth sheltered roof, your building inspector will almost certainly insist on seeing good engineering drawings, approved by a civil engineer.  The engineer will almost certainly prefer to work with an architect to ensure he is working with good drawings…  In my case, the engineer cost more than the architect, but I am not sure if he would have worked with me at all without one.

4) Insight: With any luck, you have hired an architect that will not only try to give you what you ask for, but may also give you insight to improve your design.  This is a bit tough for some of us to take, especially if we have already put a lot of thought into the design, but keep an open mind and you may get some good ideas from the architect(s).   It is also great to get the plans out of your head and share them with another human being (even if you have to pay them by the hour for every meeting ;( ).  If you do not have a circle of friends who enjoy chatting about earth sheltered homes, you will probably enjoy this chance to bounce ideas of your architect.  I am not the kind of person who would hire a psychiatrist, but I guess it would feel the same way, cathartic ;).

How Much

We met with and got quotes from 5 architects.  The costs ranged from 18% down to 1% of our budget.    We ended up selecting for reasons other than cost and went with an architect that was approximately 3% of the budget (the engineer was more and additional).  I am using percentages, but in all but one case, the architects all based their quotes on numbers of hours estimated to complete the design multiplied by some hour rate.

Of course, every situation is different.  On the one hand, I came in well prepared (they would not be starting from scratch).  On the other hand, I had a very usual design and I had not yet done any roof drawings…  so there was still a lot to do.   If you were going in with a more modest design and had already figured out most of what you want, I think you could expect the architectural fees to be much lower.

If you compare the cost of an architect with that of a real-estate agent and factor in all the work they do, it is clear where the better value is.   I feel better about paying my architect when I consider that I am not paying thousands to a real estate agent (hidden in the 7.5% higher price of every home purchased thru one) to purchase my home.  No offence to any real estate agents out there, but I think you know this is true ;), feel free to comment below.  Of course the counter argument is that you only pay a real estate agent on the day that you get the keys to your new house (only successful agents get paid).  You pay the architect during the design phase with out any guarantee that you won’t just end up with “paper architecture” (architecture that never gets off the paper).   Many would be earth sheltered home owners have very expensive drawings in the back closet of their still-very much above ground homes.

“Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Will he not first sit down and estimate the cost to see if he has enough money to complete it?”  Luke 14:28

For a moderate sized Earth Sheltered home where you have already done the majority of the design work and the building permits don’t require a licensed architect to sign off, perhaps an architectural designer (at a lower price point) would be the ideal situation?

 

It is important to remember that each relationship is negotiated by the participants…  You can change terms, even those in the “standard” architectural agreement.  For instance, I didn’t like the lines about “Owner’s use solely wrt this project” or “Upon completion… the Owner’s right… shall cease”, so I had those parts removed and added explicit language saying I could use the designs in publications, websites, video or any other means I wanted.  My architect said that if I use the design in a movie, he wanted to be played by Daniel Craig, but we didn’t put that in the contract.  

When it comes to paying your architect, there are some items spelled out in the agreement, at least in some countries, and many architects use boiler plate contracts, so it tends to be pretty standard.  Most want an “Initial Payment”, something like $500 or $1000 dollars.  They will set a cost for each phase of the project and will bill you after each month based on the percentage of each phase that they have completed.   My architect put a ceiling on the price to keep things from getting out of hand.  That keeps me from getting too upset if things are talking longer than I think they should.   You will see additional charges for prints, visits to the property, etc.  My suggestion is to not get too picky about the hourly breakdown on the bill or the specifics of how many hours are associated to each associate or task.  The architect is just trying to chunk things out and balance his books.   Just pay your bill, as agreed, based on the percentage of the phases that you believe to be complete.  If it feels like a lot of money, refer back to my comment about the work relative to hiring a real-estate agent to help you buy someone elses dream home…

On the other hand, if he has billed you for all of phase 1 and 2, but you don’t believe things have progressed that far, by all means, call him up.  In my case, I made the mistake of paying too far ahead of the actual work.  By the time I caught it, the architect claimed he was 95% done with design development and he clearly was not more than 70%.  This would be like paying your plumber 95% before he even shows up with the fixtures.  If it was hard getting his attention before, it will be much harder now that he already has the vast majority of your money.   Fortunately  architects are much more professional than plumbers.  I will never know if he would have worked faster if we had owed him more money (he was many months late by the end), but he did honor the original agreed upon price (plus a few hundred dollars in prints).

Of course, the fixed price also made it harder to discuss changes as we neared the end.   The architect defined a few of my requests as a change in scope so they would have cost extra money…   I personally didn’t think they were scope change, but I also didn’t want to take any extra time to argue about that.

 

Finding and Architect Finding an architect you want to work with is hard enough…  Finding an earth sheltered architect is much harder. In addition to being unusual in form, earth sheltered homes may also require the use of materials and construction techniques that residential architects, at least in the stick-built northern half of the United States and Canada, would be unfamiliar with.  Instead of excluding those who had not built and earth sheltered home, I started looking for anyone who seemed interested in trying.

As mentioned in the main sourcing page, Google was my best friend when it came to finding an architect.  Once I had their name and phone number, I would try to find a website.   Many were more commercial than residential.  This didn’t bother me because my construction methods would be more familiar to a commercial architect anyway…  But apparently that feeling was not mutual.  Once they heard it was a residential project, many were not interested.   However, some architects do seek both commercial and residential work…  I recommend you start there.

I also recommend that you follow the 3 bid rule.  In our case, we were calling the architects as we found them.  We met with the first two and had a hard time getting others to call us back.  Then several called us back all at once, so we ended up interviewing with 5 different architects, two of them twice (this doesn’t included prior emails and phone calls to vet the candidates).  That may have been a bit much.

Questions  Whenever you “source”, it is a good idea to try and ask each sub to bid on the same work.  It is no different with an architect.  It is very helpful to make sure you have covered the same basic questions with each so you can compare apples to apples.

1) Have you ever designed an earth sheltered home before?   This was a tough one.

If an architect claims to have designed an earth sheltered home, did deeper to see if it was actually relevant to what you are planning to do.  In my case, I found the prior experiences were all very different to what I wanted to do.  In one case, the experience consisted of a bermed home with a green roof (less than 8 inches of light weight soil over a steel deck).   I called the reference and found that the majority of the simple square design came from the client; the architect had designed some truss system to remove the need for interior columns, but it was so expensive that the home owner (who built the home himself) didn’t actually use it.  This architect also talked about his passive window expertise, but I felt I was ahead of him there also (he thought turning Low E glass backward was the same as passive solar glass).  So does this earth sheltered experience count?

Another architect had done several earth bermed homes, and one with a green roof, but they were all done decades ago.  I also found him to be a bit annoying and his information was certainly out of date or just wrong (he was already arguing with me during the interview)…  He was also the most expensive…

2) Have you ever worked with shotcrete?   Slab on grade construction?  ICFs?

The important thing here is that the architect have some experience with aspects of your planned method of construction.   Several of the architects I met with had at least one shotcrete project under their belts, almost all had worked with slab on grade construction.   Again, when I looked into it, I found that one had used wooden forms under the shotcrete and the structured had ventilation and mold problems (does a lesson learned count as positive experience?).

3) How and how often should I expect to hear from you?  How much will you try to keep me in the loop on progress?

This is one I didn’t ask, but wish that I had.  I like my architect, and still think we made the right choice, but I do wish I had asked about communication at that first meeting.  Some architects are just not great at keeping you in the loop.  Other architects have a “tada” mentality where they feel like they should go away and secretly do the design work and then pop back and say “tada!”  My guess is these people also like to throw surprise parties. 😉

Personally, as a Product Manager in my real life, I prefer transparency.   If you want weekly updates on where things are and what you are working on, you may want to ask about that at the first meeting.

4) What drawing tools do you use? 2D or 3D?

There are a range of software tools of varying cost and capability.  High end architectural CAD (Computer Aided Design) tools like Autodesk Revit are fairly expensive ($5500/year/seat) and will add to your cost.  Other tools, such as Google Sketch-Up, are free (or there is a low cost “Pro” version for architects), but have fewer capabilities.  I recommend Googling what ever tool the prospective architect mentions to get an idea of its capabilities.   I have looked at the range of tools and found that most have tools (and limitations) built in assuming you will be designing a conventional home and most are not up to the task of modeling an unconventional home, and especially not an earth sheltered home.

If they are not using software (if they are just drawing on a board with a pencil), I recommend moving on to another architect.   But it would be cool if they are good with a pencil (sketching) and I love the look of watercolors for the final concept drawings. 😉

As for the question of 3D vs 2D software… I could argue for either side.

3D looks better and will help you visualize the design.  It is also based on a single model (instead of pages of drawings), so if you make a change, you only need to make it in one place (not each view).  It is also great for making sure that everything fits;  real construction is done in 3D, so it would be great to know that the parts fit in 3D while it is still in the computer.   This concept of a single 3D model can also make things much more difficult…  The designer can’t just draw something, they are forced to make sure it fits in the 3D model, which may require advanced skills for some unconventional geometries.  They may also need to take care of “meta data” for assembly or parameter information that a 2D architect doesn’t spend any time on.   Because more care needs to go into the 3D CAD design (and the software costs more), architects who work in 3D tend to charge quite a bit more and may need to bid for more hours to get a complicated model right.

Only 2D drawings are needed for construction.  2D is more flexible (fudgeable),   a talented architect/designer working in 2D could keep up with the freedom of shotcrete and earth.  This flexibility is also its weakness.  Because the architect is not forced to resolve the design in 3D, it is possible for them to make mistakes between different views (pages) or to design something that won’t actually fit when assembled in 3D (real life).   I found many inconsistencies and conflicts between different views in my drawing sets.  Also, because views are drawn separately, changes made to the design must be made in each drawing that is affected.  This could mean a lot of work for a simple change, or increases the potential of your pages getting out of sync if the corresponding changes are not made everywhere.  And of course, visualization…  2D plans are generally done with “elevation” views or cutaway views that present your home in an almost schematic way…  Elevations are great for understanding how the home is put together and the dimensions of things, but it will never actually look that way when it is built in 3D.  For instance, the front Elevation shows just the front, but when looking at a real house you are looking at it from a slight angle and things look a little different.

Generally speaking, I would lean towards 3D for producing a more robust and build-able design.  It is also prettier.   However, I really didn’t think they could get my model done in 3D.     I had cast off conventional design ideas and only let my earth sheltered home be limited by the capabilities of shotcrete (which is very liberating).  This meant my design was very difficult for standard architectural CAD, designed for conventional construction, to model up.   I had already tried some of the basic forms in a variety of high end 3D cad tools and found they had limitations that prevented the construction of the shapes I needed.

My architect was strictly 2D, but his young apprentice was a wiz with Rhino, one of the few tools that can handle the kind of complex surfaces used in my home…  He provided 2D drawings for construction, but behind the scenes, he often worked out fit with his 3D model.

The architect used some 3D models to help work out the fit... This one shows the dining room vault steel arch calculations...

The architect used some 3D models to help work out the fit… This one shows the dining room vault steel arch calculations…

 

If you have already done a lot of work on your plans, it would be helpful if the architect could at least import your drawings, so you may want to ask about that also.

Finally, you may find that the architect is quite willing to give you the CAD models for your drawings, and this can be very helpful later (assuming you have access to the tool).

5) Try to meet the architects team…  If the architect will be relying on an associate, you should probably meet that person before you sign on.  If they have an engineer they like to work with, meet the engineer.  It is like getting married, you marry the whole family, choose carefully.

I my case, my design was mostly done by the architects assistant.  He was a very helpful, enthusiastic and likable guy who had some great CAD skills, but little architectural experience.  I know that he started his first year of Architecture school after starting our design, but I was never given any real info about his education or experience.  I am hoping that he already had his B.A. and was just starting his masters, but I guess it would have been good to ask.

 

6) Ask them how busy they are.  I asked how many clients my architect was working with and he said 10.  I assumed he was including late phase customers that he was still in contact with, etc.  I didn’t think any architects in this business would be so busy, but it looks like he is.  I should have asked a more direct question about how many hours a week they would be able to commit to my project.

7) As them what to expect thru the process, they will probably talk about design phases which I will describe in the next section.  Also ask them about who checks the design.  In my case, the architects assistant did most of the drawing work and I did most of the reviewing.
Design Phases Most architects work in design phases.  These are described in the standard agreement …

Schematic Design Phase: 5%

Design Development Phase:  30%

Construction Documents Phase:  40%

Bidding or Negotiation Phase :  5%

Construction Phase:  20%

You can think of these as break points, between which would be a good time to decide if you want to continue with your architect.  I think most architects blend these together somewhat, particularly Design Development and Construction Documents.

You don’t need to hire the architect for all of these phases, or you perahaps you will touch on some only briefly.  For instance, we came to the architect at a pretty advanced stage and only touched on the Schematic Design Phase (as a santity check) and probably started a good percentage of the way into Design Development.    We will rely on the architect to complete our Design Development and all the construction drawings.  I don’t expect to use my architect for much of the bidding or negotiation phase, but I might have him out once or twice for the construction phase (I will be billed something like 180$ a trip ;))

 

Malcolm Wells

Malcolm wells was an evangelist for earth sheltered living

Malcolm wells drew this self deprecating image of himself. Quite a sense of humor. 😉

Malcolm Wells is the Frank Llyod Wright of earth sheltered architecture.  Except that he was very unsuccessful at actually getting much built…  I guess maybe Buckminster Fuller is a better comparison.  ;), but still, no page about finding an Earth Sheltered Architect would be complete without a mention of this (now deceased) architect.  His books are nicely illustrated and often “hand written”.  They are a not always so helpful as techincal manuals, but his humorous and self deprecating style make them a pleasure to read, particularly for anyone considering building an earth sheltered home.

You can find an interesting page about him here…  I recommend subscribing to the Yahoo Group to get in contact with other earth sheltered architects, builders and home owners.

Malcolm Wells illustration of the Locust Hill House

Malcolm Wells’ books are often “hand written” and full of nice illustrations like this.