There was just enough decent weather left in the season to prep and shotcrete the walls around the perimeter of the central circle. We had to start with the formwork, and since these walls had simple curvature (rather than compound curvature), we decided to use OSB board screwed to vertical steel studs. Of course, rebar was added in and tied. I’ll get into details and lessons learned later in this post… And there is always a gallery of pictures at the end, but first, the timelapse video.
The Video
Extra bits
Steel Studs
These MarinoWare steel studs I have been experimenting with are a bit of a mixed success. They are great for holding the formwork, rebar, electrical, etc. And I like to think that they provide some reinforcement for the concrete. On the negative side, the shotcrete crew were not always able to properly encase them and possible voids in the walls along these studs probably reduced the wall strength and provided a path for water to channel. I wouldn’t call them a total failure, but I have decided not to use them in this same way for the central tower. Instead, I will brace that formwork from the outside. I will continue to use these studs for the South wall because the design there has these outside the concrete, supporting the rigid insulation formwork.
Screwing into Steel Studs
Pre-drilling would just take too long and it would probably drive you crazy trying to keep the boards aligned to get the screws thru the pre-drilled holes. Self-tapping drill point screws are what you need. They should be long enough to get thru the form materials (3/8th inch OSB in my case) and still bite in nicely to the steel. In places where you put an extra layer of OSB (such as to thicken the joints), you will need an extra 3/8ths of length. Also, to save money, you want to use the shortest and smallest screws that will work. Finally, the key thing is the head… I recommend the Hex-Washer-Head because it will be held securely by your driver without any slippage or cam outs. Do not buy Phillips head screws, you will seriously regret it.
Personally, I ended up mostly using TEKs #10 x 1 in. Zinc Plated Hex-Washer-Head Self Tapping Drill Point Screws that cost about 4 cents each. If you can get them in bulk, you can probably reduce the price to half that.
Plumb and Braced
For some reason, the camera kept moving on to the next area before we would complete the important job of plumbing and bracing each section of wall. However, that step was important and worth a small section here. The walls had some natural stability because of the curvature, but we still needed to brace them against the force and vibration of the shotcrete and they were not always naturally plumb. On dirt, we could just brace with a 2×2 or 2×4, screwed to a block on the wall and then screwed to a stake. However, for most of this job, we had to brace on the concrete deck and didn’t want to attach the bracing to the deck and risk damaging our radiant tubing… The solution was to place a board on the deck, screw the diagonal brace to that, and also screw a horizontal brace and tie it back into the wall. This worked pretty well.
In one location, the wall was out of plumb and took some serious pulling to try and force it plumb. Some combination of the boards, studs, and rebar was fighting against us. I ended up just using a strap and a come-along to pull it. Part of that strap is still embedded in the concrete wall, but at least it is plumb.
Welding Rebar
I get a lot of negative comments from people saying that it is “against code” to weld rebar. In reality, the building code has about 85 pages devoted to welding rebar. The code talks about what types of Rebar you can weld (mine has a little “w” on it to indicate that it is weldable), diameters (most welding rules don’t kick in until #7), what types of welds you can do (butt joints are not acceptable), pre-heating, exceptions based on engineering approval, etc. I was going to get into it a bit here, but it is probably better to just suggest you read up on it yourself.
While I agree that the heat treatment that comes from welding does influence the ductility and other material properties of the steel, in certain situations (some of my situations), it does make things much better. I know what I am doing, everything is inspected, no need to worry about it.
The Gallery
Here is where we put some of the pics we took during this period…
from time to time, I’ll just take a photo of my screen so I can have the measurements handy in my phone… Some times it is faster than trying to transfer a proper screen shot…
The Hex Head screws are much much better
For us, this build is pretty focused work. But while we are out there, the kids will often find time to play or read a book in some odd place.
Working on the side wall in the guest room. We had this one shot from the kitchen across the basement stairs.
Me setting up the camera in the kitchen…
I think I may have kept too many pics of David setting up the camera…
Sherri gets goofy some times…
Joe working on the dining room wall.
David Setting up the camera. He likes this job.
Here my father is working on the wood forms and my mother is tying rebar… Probably not the retirement they expected.
Sliding the rebar into the short wall section.
For this little side wall, we put in all the rebar pieces and then cut them down to size.
David setting up the camera for a shot
David was climbing around on the tower steel and took this interesting pic of Hunter walking thru the site.
Another shot of the playroom apse before it got started. You can see all the steel arches leaning against the rigid insulation in the background.
I separate out these jobs, but they often overlap. On this day, I was working (For ANSYS inc) from the site because the stucco guys were working on the garage. In the evening, I probably switched to welding the playroom apse or something like that.
I originally set everything up around this middle post, then I welded the outer edges in place.
To form the apse, I had to weld the thicker rolled steel arches to the thinner galvanized steel studs… It doesn’t have to hold forever, just long enough to be encased in concrete. It took a little practice to be able to weld the different materials reliably. I did little patches like this ever few inches along each edge where they met.
This looks like it was from my timelapse, but the rest of the video was lost… It happens sometimes.
This is one of those pics that happens when your 10 year old is just walking around with a camera.
Welding the rebar
apse steel ready
Apse steel from above
Outside of the guest-room wall. We shot the walls from the outside to try and avoid messing up the deck.
The inside of the guest room forms.
We try to avoid it, but occationally we are all working within a very narrow distance of eachother…
For some reason, Hunter likes to pose for the timelapse… Just while he is walking by in the middle of the shoot. The easter egg photos are mine now.
Friends playing while their parents helped out…
The north side, ready to shotcrete.
This gap between the back of the kitchen wall and the Quonset hut will be filled with a lot of earth.
This pic is trying to show that I cut away the fox blocks and drilled the horizontal rebar into that wall to tie everything together structurally.
The connection between the guest room wall and the mudroom…
After a lot of setup work, we were finally ready to have the shotcrete sprayed over our bedroom wing. The Quonset garage was actually done at the same time, but that is another post.
In this post, we have some pics to illustrate the process and challenges, along with some tips for anyone planning to do something similar.
But first, The video.
The Video
Challenges
Financial
Try to get a quote that includes some expectation of how far they will get.
With each shotcrete visit, the cost (when I divide out per yard) has gone up dramatically. I don’t have the calculation right in front of me, but this visit was more than double the cost per yard of the basement job, and that first one totally blew the original estimate out of the water. So, as you can imagine, we have now (writing after the 3rd shotcrete session) blown thru all the money we allocated for shotcrete in the budget. It is not so much that the shotcrete company underestimated the daily costs, but they dramatically overstated the amount they could get done in a day. During this run, there was one day when they only got 8 yards (because the compressor broke), other days got 16 or 24. They said they would pro-rate, but in the end, the costs were all the same per day. If you are paying a daily rate and the volume can vary from 8 to 24 yards, it is difficult to budget.
We will need to come to a better agreement that factors in some of my expectations when we do the next shotcrete. We want to be fair (it is hard specialized work), but we don’t want to go bankrupt either. Next time, I am going to try and work in some better expectations of how far they should get for the money. It probably seems basic, but I am sure it is easier said than done.
A few more guys is a good thing.
Each day costs thousands of dollars for the base crew and concrete… The extra finishing guys are just a few hundred dollars each. That is a bargain when you realize how much energy they save the base crew (so those guys get more concrete up) and how much smoother they make the walls (so you can save on waterproofing).
The lift will save you more than it costs.
The lift rental was over a thousand dollars. This got worse because the shotcrete took a weekend and several days more than expected. But actually, they guys at Wolverine Rental were pretty cool about it and made me a good deal that factored in days when I wasn’t actually using the rental, even though it was sitting on my lot.
The crew would have liked a nicer lift with a more powerful engine and tracks, I can’t even comment on how much more that would have cost because I simply couldn’t find one at any of the rental places in my area. I suppose it would have saved a little time (they got stuck a few times), but probably not enough to justify the additional cost (I am guessing it would be a lot more).
The crew also complained about not having a second lift for the finishing crew. Looking back, this may have paid for its self… I’ll have to do a more careful financial analysis when I get a chance, but probably. Looking forward toward my remaining shotcrete jobs, I don’t think there will be enough lift work to justify two, but maybe…
After saying all the negative stuff first for some reason… I will also say that I am pretty sure the lift really saved us more than it cost. Certainly, it was necessary for reaching the awkward hard-to-reach places with that shotcrete hose. But it also helped in the other areas where they could have used scaffolding or some “cheaper” method. It helped move the hose around and allowed the guys to conserve their energy so they could get further in a day and do a better job. I can do a quick mental calculation and say that it easily saved me much more than it cost.
Update: Funny side update, but 6 months later the Shotcrete contractor texted me to say that the lift (which his crew operated) damaged his 900$ hose while it was pulling it around. Later in the text conversation, he said he would be nice and not bill me for the damage. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Chunks
One of the mix trucks must have had some old cement set inside it after a previous delivery. When it brought us our concrete, those chunks broke off and jammed up the concrete pump causing us to lose nearly an hour while the shotcrete guys tried to get the chunks out again. Because we delayed the cement truck past the time they expected it to stay on site, the concrete company charged us an extra fee (75$), which was nothing compared to the value of the delay to us… Any longer and we would have had to dump the remaining concrete. At the time, Sherri took this picture of the chunks so we could argue against the silly charge, but in the end, the 75$ wasn’t enough to bother fighting.
The chunks of concrete that came out of the mix truck and jammed the concrete pump. Sherri’s shoes for scale.
Equipment
The concrete comes from the supplier in a mix truck. The factory adds the dry ingredients into the truck according to the recipe from the shotcrete guys. It is basically a 7 sack mix with sand and peastone and Fly Ash (carbon nanospheres that help it flow) and various other admixtures determined by the weather and other conditions. Along the way, water is added and the barrel of the truck turns to mix it up while on the way (which is why it is called “transit mix”). They need to get the concrete out of the mix truck and on the wall within 90 minutes of starting to mix it.
Once on site, the concrete truck dumps the wet concrete into the hopper of the concrete pump. This pump uses a 110 HP Cummins diesel engine to power two large 6-inch diameter pistons that can handle pumping concrete with aggregates at a rate of up to 50 cubic yards per hour. Of course, they never got above 8 yards per hour, but that is more a function of the complexity of my design.
Meanwhile, the compressor sends high-pressure air thru the smaller hose (1-inch diameter) to the nozzle where it meets the pumped concrete and blasts it thru the nozzle and out into the air…
All of this comes together in the nozzle. The most obvious control is a mixing valve for adjusting the ratio of air to concrete right behind the nozzle. The concrete pump is controlled by a remote that was usually carried by another guy (who could go over and check the pump when something goes wrong). The nozzle man indirectly controls the flow rate of the concrete pump by communicating with hand signals (and occasional verbal abuse) to the guy with the remote. The nozzle is also pretty heavy and the video clips show how the nozzle man has to work with his whole body to control it, often while standing in very precarious positions. The end of the nozzle is a rubber tip that can be switched out depending on the task or concrete properties. The nozzleman can control the fan of the shotcrete spray by pinching this tip with his fingers.
From there, it is all muscle and skill as the nozzleman builds up the concrete in the right places, properly encasing the rebar and all the other annoying things I have in my walls.
These are the main pieces of equipment that make shotcrete possible.
Big job
Shotcrete requires a lot of setup to get rolling. Once the guys get rolling, they can only put up so much concrete in any one place before it starts to schlep off. Instead of doing the bedrooms and Quonset separately as two smaller jobs, we combined them. I am pretty sure this saved us money and gave the shotcrete guys somewhere to go when the one-half of the project needed some time to cure.
Gallery
I guess I’ll tell the other stories here in the gallery.
Bonnie helped me get a lot of final prep work done, like sweeping off the footings and adding extra ties (not sure how overboard we went).
First shotcrete
Nothing is getting thru the screen
First wall
First troweling
second wall
Troweling the walls
Starting on the next section while the guys trowel the first
Three guys each doing their part
At one point on the first morning, it started it rain. Bonnie and I put up plastic to keep it from causing problems on the inside shotcrete. Actually, at this point, Bonnie is doing all the work and I was just taking a picture
These are the main pieces of equipment that make shocrete possible.
Part way thru…
Getting started
Shooting an internal wall while I setup the camera.
If the house didn’t need to be buried, this “transparent” roof would be really cool.
Scaffold jacks are faster to place than scaffolding. They just cut a hole in the shotcrete to make a ledge for one side. Later, they patch up that hole.
Scaffold jacks are faster to place than scaffolding. They just cut a hole in the shotcrete to make a ledge for one side. Later, they patch up that hole.
Early on the first day
This east end gave the most trouble for the shotcrete, but they got it eventually
For some reason the color of this pic really pops…
Occasionally, to get the right angle, they had to get out of the basket. But they minimized this for several reasons.
The lift was really essential for this job. In addition to making it possible to reach the high places, it also took a lot of load off the crew by helping to lug around the hose.
The chunks of concrete that came out of the mix truck and jammed the concrete pump. Sherri’s shoes for scale.
While they were there, I had them pump in a couple footings bits that I forgot to include earlier.
Shooting from the lift
This part of the wall was too high to reach from the ground and too awkward to reach from the roof, so it just didn’t get troweled. Here is where that second lift would have come in handy. Instead, it was a nightmare to waterproof… More on that next time.
At some point part way thru…
Smoothing out the inside surface after they guys are done shooting… It is easy now. Much harder after everything sets.
Smoothing out the inside surface after they guys are done shooting… It is easy now. Much harder after everything sets.
This is how most of the inside surface looked. The screen effectively blocked the shotcrete from blowing thru the lath.
This is how the inside surface looked when there was a gap in the screen.
David just sitting in the hall at the end of the day… Seemed someone picturesque in a war-zone kind of way.
I loved going up in the lift to get a good view (and pictures) of the project.
Low angle lift view
The boys, up in a lift, looking over the work.
IN the afternoons, after the crew would leave, Sherri and I would use the lift to do other jobs, like put up lath on the garage.
This is a couple days in.
Here you can see some of the insulation we stuffed in the valleys to keep the weight down. We then covered over this with additional concrete so water could easily flow off.
3rd day, working on both the garage while the bedrooms were curing.
Here you can see the rebar, vent stack, etc. near the top of the quonset hut.
This was two or three days in…
Guys on the roof of the Quonset on the last day.
Top of the quonset
At the end of the second to last day, the Quonset hut was rough and the skylight curbs were not quite finished.
Final view of the garage from the lift.
The master bedroom has windows facing south and east
The master bedroom ceiling had a somewhat “fabric” look to it when it was all over.
Inside the master bedroom, this back corner will become the master bath.
Sherri is very concerned about upsetting the neighbors, so she was out there trying to sweep off the mess after all the trucks left.
Part of my earth sheltered home design included burying a Quonset hut. Actually, this was the easiest and cheapest part of our build and if we had done the whole house this way, we might have been done the first year.
This post is for phase 3 of building our earth sheltered Quonset hut. In phase one, we put up the steel Quonset (with a little help from our friends). Phase 2 was getting up the Fox Blocks ICF endwalls. That part was interesting, but took more time (and several posts). We chose ICFs for the endwalls because they made the transition from wall to parapet for retaining the earth very straight forward. Wood end walls would probably have been cheaper and faster, but not nearly as durable..
I have seen Quonset huts buried directly (with just a pond liner for waterproofing), but I wanted to put in a layer of reinforced concrete first. Phase 3 is to cover the quonset in reinforced concrete before we can bury it in phase 4. (actually, I guess there was a waterproofing step before we can bury it also). In this way, it is really the reinforced concrete that supports the earth load. The Quonset hub becomes fancy form-work and an interior finish.
Here is the video about phase 3.
The Video:
Information:
Hot: The day we put the insulation and plastic on the roof was officially the hottest day on record for our area… The reflective Quonset hut was making it feel twice as hot and the heated metal was melting the duct tape that we used to tape down the Styrofoam. I edited the water breaks out of the timelapse, but they were about every 15 minutes. Fortunately, we got clouds and cooler weather for the second half.
Crew: Just a quick note that I appreciated all the help I got on this portion of the build, both amateur and professional.
Rating: My Quonset is rated for 75 lbs per square ft. I am sure the engineers were thinking snow load and not concrete, and there is probably a significant safety factor built into that. Either way, I am sure I significantly exceeded the official rating by about 50 lbs/sqft. Fortunately, my shotcrete was also sitting on the footings, shotcrete above that was really sitting on the shotcrete below, etc. The stiffening shotcrete really formed an arch from footing to footing and is probably not loading the Quonset hut significantly. Maybe if all the concrete were wet (no internal stiffness) at the same time, we might have had a problem, but instead, the shotcrete was curing and carrying load as it was applied. Spreading the shoot over the 3 days probably helped.
Crenelations: The Quonset crenelations (groves) were about 7.5 inches deep. Across the top sections, we decided to fill with polystyrene strips 4 inches thick, 10 inches wide and 24 ft long. Some quick math, and I can tell you that we placed more than 7 cubic ft of Styrofoam in each groove, which means we reduced the load on the top of the roof by about 1000 lbs per groove. There were 20 grooves, and I filled 16 with Styrofoam, so that is a 16000 lb reduction. I left 4 of the crenelations without Styrofoam (and added extra rebar) so they would have stronger hoop beams across. We filled the concrete to a depth at least 4 inches above the crenelations, so the concrete in the crenelations was nearly 12 inches thick.
Plastic: The plastic liner was primarily to keep concrete from directly contacting the Quonset, and secondarily to provide an extra waterproofing layer. I wasn’t fanatical about it. The plastic is tough, but not impervious to puncture. I have heard of people using pond liners with a heavy felt underlayment, or even grinding down all the bolt ends that could puncture the plastic. Pond liner and underlayment can easily cost more than 50 cents per square ft (and the Quonset surface is well over 2000 sqft). Our 6 mil plastic sheet cost less than 1/10th of that, so when it got a few little holes and tears I didn’t worry about it too much. I had thought that the plastic would make it more difficult to walk around on top of the Quonset (because it could slip), but actually, it improved the walking conditions quite a lot. I sagged the plastic to allow it to properly fall into each crenelation when the rebar and concrete were added.
Openings: The Quonset hut is a nice strong shape to work with (mine was an “S-Type”, the “Q” type would have been even better, but less practical without the straight stem walls). Loads are transferred around it like pressure on an egg. As you know, any crack in an egg weakens the overall structure tremendously. I planned to have 3 openings in my Quonset shell, two skylights and a side door (to the mudroom). The most stressful time for the Quonset would be when it was covered with 46 yards of wet concrete (186,300 lbs) and two tons of rebar. You do not want to have holes in the Quonset at that time. Instead, I just created bucks to keep the concrete out of these three areas. Later, I can come back and cut the Quonset steel with a grinder to make the openings.
Rebar: Each crenelation got 4 pieces of #4 rebar. One vertical piece was “inside” each crenelation, centered and about 4 inches from the inner surface. The other verticals were at a layer about an inch past the outer surface of the Quonset hut, spaced 8 inches apart. The horizontal rebar was mostly tied to the outside of the vertical rebar and spaced no more than 12 inches apart. Some horizontal pieces were placed first, against the surface. These first horizontal pieces made it easier to place the outer layer of vertical rebar without things falling inside the crenelations. They were kept off the Quonset hut by placing a few 1.25 inch rebar chairs (according to code). We wanted most of the horizontal rebar further out where it could help hold more shotcrete up.
The other important rebar code section to worry about is overlapping the pieces. We had a 40 ft long Quonset hut with 20ft long pieces of rebar. I just placed them end to end and then came back later and tied 4ft long segments along that seam. That was more than enough to overlap both sides by 40 diameters (code).
Electrical and Plumbing: I didn’t include it in the video, but we also ran plumbing and electrical before adding the shotcrete. These were then inspected. Part part of this was running white vent tubes up the side of the Quonset so they would come up the skylight curbs.
Balance: The Quonset hut shape holds even pressure very well. It will actually get stronger when I put the balanced earth load on top… But while applying dynamic load (such as the shotcrete) it is important to apply it evenly to both sides so the Quonset hut isn’t pushed flat. Our shotcrete was poured over 3 days. The first day got most of the short vertical walls done (our Quonset hut is an “S type”). This stabilized the base and got us ready for the second day where they added most of the shotcrete, including filling some crenulations all the way across. In the video, you can see them working one side and then the other, back and forth. This required moving the heavy hose, which is tiring. They made their lives a little bit easier by toeing the hose with the lift whenever they could. Then the crew left for the weekend (not ideal) and came back on Monday to finalize the top, add the shotcrete for the skylight curbs and do a final coat for smoothing. All this time was partially because they also shot the bedroom at the same time (upcoming post), but planning to shoot things in a balanced and paced way is a good idea even if you could shoot faster.
The Compressor: The shotcrete is moved to the wall in two ways. The mix truck dumps the concrete into a hopper where it gets pumped (by a very expensive concrete pump) thru the hose to the nozzle. In the nozzle, the “nozzle man” injects compressed air to blast the concrete at the wall. Part of the magic of shotcrete (the strength, lack of cold joints, etc.) comes from the way it impacts/compacts the wall particle-by-particle. Unfortunately, the compressor broke down soon after starting on the Quonset hut and somewhat spoiled the day (but somehow didn’t reduce the cost). Ironically, this same compressor had broken down when they did the basement shotcrete, which was the last time the crew had come out. They already had a concrete truck on site with 8 yards of concrete in it, so we decided to pump it out. I knew that this wasn’t quite ideal in terms of speed of application or strength, but it did work and I didn’t have to worry about cold joints, since it was the first bit to be applied. The next day, they rented a nice new compressor for only 60$ / day and it ran flawlessly.
Hard work: Pretty much everything about shooting shotcrete is hard work. Moving the hose, aiming it all day, keeping everything flowing, finishing the surface, repairing any issues with the equipment, cleaning up, loading up, moving scaffolding, etc. It is all hard work and I appreciate the effort of the crew. Certainly I would suggest anyone think twice before deciding to take on this part of the build themselves.
Gallery:
These are pictures taken from my cellphone or time-lapse screenshots… Enjoy.
Here you can see that we didn’t need to add rebar chairs very often to keep the rebar off the quonset
I used smurf tube (ENT conduit) to run my electrical.
Aerial view of the Quonset, ready for shotcrete
The lift was fun. Figured we would get some rides out of it.
Aerial view of the Rebar, ready for shotcrete
Shotcrete is hard work.
Here is closeup. You can see the rebar chair keeping the horizontal bar off the quonset.
Here you can see how the shotcrete pushed the plastic (peek behind the door frame)
This is pumpcrete around the plumbing vent stack that came out of the bathroom in the quonset hut. This is the mudroom, so it will also be enclosed later. Otherwise, I would have covered this pipe in concrete to protect it.
Here is the rebar on the other side of the door. These hoops were full depth all the way across, so I put an extra piece of inner vertical rebar.
Pumpcrete near the door. Note, I didn’t cut the doorway out of the quonset until the shotcrete had set.
Here Michael is playing with wasted concrete as they clean up the pumpcrete on the wall
Note, I didn’t cut the doorway out of the quonset until the shotcrete had set.
For my design, Rebar is spaced 8 inches horizontally and 12 inches vertically.
Getting going on the Shotcrete
The lift was indispensable
Ideally, they would have two lifts so half the crew could shoot while the other half finished.
Working on the roof
This is the end of the 2nd day (the first real day) on the quonset.
Aerial view at the end of the day. Some bands of concrete were completed across the whole arch and set before they came back to fill in the rest.
I get a lot of negative comments from people saying that it is “against code” to weld rebar. In reality, the building code has about 85 pages devoted to welding rebar. The code talks about what types of Rebar you can weld (mine has a little “w” on it to indicate that it is weldable), diameters (most welding rules don’t kick in until #7), what types of welds you can do (butt joints are not acceptable), pre-heating, exceptions based on engineering approval, etc. I was going to get into it a bit here, but it is probably better to just suggest you read up on it yourself.
Openings: The Quonset hut is a nice strong shape to work with (mine was an “S-Type”, the “Q” type would have been even better, but less practical without the straight stem walls). Loads are transferred around it like pressure on an egg. As you know, any crack in an egg weakens the overall structure tremendously. I planned to have 3 openings in my Quonset shell, two skylights and a side door (to the mudroom). The most stressful time for the Quonset would be when it was covered with 46 yards of wet concrete (186,300 lbs) and two tons of rebar. You do not want to have holes in the Quonset at that time. Instead, I just created bucks to keep the concrete out of these three areas. Later, I can come back and cut the Quonset steel with a grinder to make the openings.
